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In Development: Tier 7-10 HE and HEAT-MP Shell Changes

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https://aw.my.games/en/news/general/development-tier-7-10-he-and-heat-mp-shell-changes

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Since the beginning of the development, high-explosive (HE) shells have been a part of the core game design of Armored Warfare. Even though they aren’t really meant to be used against armored vehicles in real life, they still have their uses on the battlefield, especially when engaging soft targets and light emplacements. That’s the main reason they were added to the game in the first place – that, and the fact that players were familiar with a concept of ammunition that:

  • Only deals limited damage against thick armor, but is capable of knocking out even heavily armored targets that only have a few hitpoints left due to the fact that at least small damage is guaranteed
  • Deals devastating damage to very light targets such as various wheeled AFVs or lightly armored areas of MBTs such as their rear

The HEAT-MP shells have more or less the same purpose, sacrificing some base performance for the ability to deal some small damage even upon non-penetrations.

However, as the game development progressed and years went by, the HE mechanics became more and more obsolete despite several deep overhauls, resulting in the current state where high caliber HE rounds are utterly devastating against pretty much any target. If you are participating in high-Tier PvP battles, you have likely been a victim of a 152mm HE shell more than once even if you’ve been doing “everything right” by showing the enemy only your thickest armor.

To address the situation, in Update 0.35, we will be doing two things:

  • Remedying the abovementioned situation with HE shells for Tiers 7 to 10
  • Addressing the issue where HEAT-MP shells deal too much damage upon non-penetrations

More specifically, starting from Update 0.35, a high-explosive shell detonation will yield one of the following three results.

Full Penetration – the shell penetrates the armor completely and deals its full damage. The penetration calculation will not take angle into account, only nominal armor. This result will be typically achieved when the penetration indicator turns green, which is common for very light AFVs and the rear areas of MBTs.

Partial Penetration – this result happens when the armor thickness exceeds the basic penetration of the shell, but falls within the splash penetration category, which is usually between 250mm and 350mm. The shell explodes on the surface, a splash wave is triggered and an average nominal armor value within the splash radius is calculated. In such a case, the shell will deal 28 percent of its maximum damage. This result will be typically achieved when the penetration indicator turns yellow, which is common for lighter classes such as Light Tanks and for MBT side armor.

No Penetration – this result happens when the average armor in the detonation area is thicker than the splash penetration, which is typically 250mm to 350mm (depending on the shell). In such a case, the shell will always deal 7 percent of its maximum damage. This result will be typically achieved when the penetration indicator turns red. This is the usual result for hitting the most armored areas of an MBT.

Regarding the rules above, please note:

  • The exact damage values for non-penetration and partial penetration hits for the HE shells are shown in the Garage UI
  • Damage (even upon partial penetration or no penetration) is still subject to 10 percent damage randomization, so not every hit will deal the exact same damage
  • The penetration indicator only changes its color based on the exact area you are aiming at without taking the abovementioned rules into account. In practice, this for example means that while your penetration indicator turns yellow, you may still deal minimum damage because the armor around the weakspot you targeted was too thick (and vice versa)

As a practical example – the Armata 152 HE shell will deal roughly 1575 points of damage upon full penetration, roughly 442 points of damage upon partial penetration and roughly 111 points of damage upon non-penetration.

The next thing we want to address is splash and its effect on module damage. We all know the situation – an enemy tank fires under your tank and suddenly your gun is destroyed, your gunner is dead and your optics are broken. Not ideal, to put it mildly. To address this situation, we’ll introduce the following changes:

  • We’ve reduced the splash radius for standard HE shells to 1 meter and for 130mm (or larger) HE shells to 1.5 meter
  • We’ve changed the way how splash interacts with internal modules

The latter warrants some further explanations. Before Update 0.35, the damage within the splash radius was basically the same. The splash formed a globe and within it, everything got damaged, including modules (unless a saving throw was passed, that is). This led to the abovementioned results where large HE shells could just break every single module of your tank when fired below it, or even near it. In Update 0.35, this damage scales with splash range. No more destroyed optics from a blast from below!

And, last but not least, we’ll be addressing the matter of HEAT-MP shells that, right now, deal too much non-penetration damage without having any of the drawbacks of ATGMs (susceptibility to soft-kill APS, flight velocity, missile noise, no warning etc.) That is why we’ll be making the following changes:

  • Reducing the non-penetration damage from 30-35 percent to 12.5 percent of nominal damage
  • Increasing the influence of armor thickness on non-penetration damage (the thicker the armor, the lower the non-penetration damage)

This will mitigate the cases where your health gets quickly chipped away by HEAT-MP shells while maintaining their function of knocking out targets that are low on health.

The general HE changes are welcomed, I don't think anybody worth their salt could say nuke shells are balanced in the current meta. PISH is balanced, current HE isn't.

HEAT-MP changes on the other hand are rather pointless from the PvE perspective. Non-pen damage isn't particularly relevant when the goal is to penetrate every shot for maximum damage, so the changes will have next to no effect on how the game is played. If anything, 120mm HEAT-MP in general could use some minor buffs in penetration and damage to match the performance of 125mm HEAT-FS.


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2 hours ago, Haswell said:

If anything, 120mm HEAT-MP in general could use some minor buffs in penetration and damage to match the performance of 125mm HEAT-FS.

This.

I get that NATO shells are supposed to have better pen to compensate for Soviet shells having better damage, but AW doesn't seem to be able to balance for pen difference.  Read: everything seems balanced for the pen on the Soviet 125mm shells, which makes the extra pen on NATO shells useless and therefore the Soviet 125mm shells are generally superior.

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Another thing AW does not seem to get right is the tandem HEAT rounds. The pen values we see should be after single layer ERA. For some odd reason single layer ERA still seems to be canceling out my HEAT rounds, as stated by the game's hit reporting.

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HE could use some work.  I wonder as a result of this they will look at how the survivability kit works.  Every one of my MBT's has it fitted and I feel it has paid off over the years, especially as how in PvP and the introduction of some of these large caliber HE rounds has come into being as it has in WoT.


 

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